Hi, I'm Samiran. Hi, I'm Nilesh. Hi I'm Sheetal and you're listening to 3TB 3 Techies Banter.
Hi, I'm Nilesh.
Welcome to 3TB, a podcast with 3 Techies Banter.
This podcast episode is a special one because this is the season finale of our season two.
And with this podcast, we are trying a few different things like we did a lot in season two.
We are going to do a kind of a video also of this podcast and we'll see how it goes.
So in this finale episode, we'll talk about seasons one and two as they were.
And we'll also give a sneak peek into what we are thinking for season three.
That is how we'll roll.
So let's start with the section one.
Samiran, you mentioned something very interesting about what went well or what worked from season one and two.
So I think what was striking between one and two for me was I think we started season one
at a much more serious note.
We were talking about serious technology and trying to pass on a lot of information, which was kind of a good thing.
But I think as we came into season two, we started having more fun, more fun than we were having in season one.
So I think the topics reflected, the guests reflected, I think the subject matter and even the banter.
We went to the India style, which was slightly serious, but then we went to everyday tech, then we did creative arts and all.
So I think that was a definite change, at least as far as I can see.
So for me Samiran, I agree with you, but I think we evolved as people, right?
Because the first episode or the first season that we were doing, we were really trying to figure and get our heads around the podcast itself.
It was a first for us, right?
So that made it a little more, we were also experimenting saying, do we really want to do this or not?
I think season two, we've come off our own and we've kind of decided, okay, while we want to talk about serious tech, our objective has always been to make tech, drawing room conversations.
And I think that's what we've been able to do much better in season two, though I think we can still make it even more fun and more better for season three.
And that's something we should watch out for.
One of the things I noticed, and we've been tracking on chartables and all.
So if you remember in chartables, the first time we came on the charts was in Jan and we were number six, but we had Dirty Diana above us, but then when we had chartables in July, though we were number 13, Dirty Diana was behind us.
So I think we are kind of getting ahead of Dirty Diana was like a big objective for you.
So I think I accomplished that.
So I think one thing I liked was what you mentioned about our predictions.
So why don't we talk a little bit about another thing that went well, right?
Let me start with my favorite topic, which is crypto, then you can tell about other predictions.
So we talked about in our episode on trends, we talked about crypto (Sheetal- correct) and Sheetal was interested in crypto investments, and we were very clear about it that it is going to be speculative.
And one should kind of money that you want to forget that you'll ever get it back, only put that kind of amount into crypto.
And lo and behold, it has been a long crypto winter, right?
So we have seen that all cryptocurrencies, hopefully with Ethereum merge, probably Ethereum will show some comeback, but crypto winter continues, we'll not make any predictions per se.
But I think we'll have to wait for 2023 to see a revival.
I mean, that was one thing we predicted correctly, if I may put that.
Yeah. I think my favorite. And I think we've had our favorites and our favorites have
I was just reading up again on the metaverse.
And there are so many people writing about what brands need to do to succeed in the metaverse, because it's something that easier to stay.
Is it as close as I thought?
But I think a few brands have really adopted to and adapted to the metaverse.
And I think that's a trend which is here to stay too.
So metaverse, again, was something else that we predicted was going to become more mainstream. It has become more mainstream.
And you're now hearing people talk about NFTs and metaverse and all in the same breath.
And I think that's quite fantastic. Right?
So yesterday, I went to my dentist for my annual checkup, and lo and behold, while he was gazing into the dark depths of my mouth, he said, and what do you think of the metaverse?
So just like crypto, I had to kind of tell him that dentistry may not work in the metaverse, but yes, it is an area that you should look into.
Hey, listen, if I don't have to experience pain, I'm happy to put it into the metaverse. ok
So that was so, at least that tells you that people are getting more and more aware,
is kind of a good thing.
I'm sure there'll be some good and bad, but I think with interest will come more use cases and stuff.
The other one that kind of really, which seemed to be good due diligence, but really caught me by surprise was when we were doing our season two creator episode, and, you know, we just said how streaming services are doing very badly and all that.
But you know, like kind of, it was just kind of an unknown and a dark horse that NDTV was actually making money and had been doing so for a long time.
And I think maybe Gautam Adani is listening to our podcast because he immediately launched a takeover bit.
So I thought that went really well for us.
I think the creator economy again, that's another thing that's picked up really well, right?
We've been talking about the fact that more and more the world of creators is going to come in.
And I had a few people talk to me, we've been speaking to people and I think that's going to become really big again, the whole creator economy.
And I think after the talking about the things that went well in season one and two, let's talk about the changes and things that did not go well or something we had to cover, but we did not.
And I have to have to pick the topic of Fiat 500.
So being a car enthusiast, I think we wanted to speak about Fiat 500 in our art and tech kind of episode.
And that is something I think played, that is something the technology part that played us in season two.
The whole platform was a bit choppy at times, we lost a lot of footage, you know, or someone used to get dropped off, the track went, you know, went out of whack for whatever reasons. So we spoke about Fiat 500, so I thought I should talk about it now, hopefully that's even right.
So Fiat 500E is what you're particularly talking about, and it's the electric variant of Fiat 500.
And the reason for it in the art and tech episode was that every electric vehicle needs to make some kind of a noise when it comes near a passing human being, because it is so silent. Right?
Any other thing, you'll hear the hum of the engine.
So, so every other car does some dings and dongs and stuff like that.
But Fiat 500E chose a music, classical Italian music by a composer who also composed Godfather, music for movie Godfather.
Yeah, So that was very interesting.
It's a kind of a nice, interesting quirk that people are loving in Fiat 500E.
It's making huge waves in Europe.
And for all these things, it seems like a passion project, you know, of the founder.
So that was a bit on art and music and car and tech, kind of.
The one person that I think we should bring back on our episodes is Pramod Varma.
And I really think that what we missed out on was Digilocker and E-Sign and things like that.
And I'm hoping that we can invite him back to come and speak to us on that topic.
So I think that's something that I would look forward to.
The one thing that I missed, you know in our episode with Amish is, I really, really
wanted to ask
him whether one person wrote the Mahabharata or was it a lot of people?
Because not for any other reason, but the fact that it's such a complex text, the largest, longest epic in the world, with so many subject matters, that it is very difficult to imagine that even today, a learned group of people can sit together and write it.
So that is, you know, I mean, he gave us some very, very interesting insights about our learned ancestors and the not so educated descendants.
But I really wanted to know his view on could one person have written the Mahabharata?
Because by timeline, it's actually 600 years in one text.
So that's what I really, really missed in that episode.
I believe that probably some, at least an episode or two has to be dedicated to this
whole art tech piece and art, I'm talking about generally, we did cover music and we
did cover some part of graphic and art and the books, obviously, we had Amish.
But I think there is a bit more on that part whereby it probably needs another episode or two.
We will think about it in CN3.
I also feel that when we were doing the whole India stack piece, right, I felt that
was a sense of pride, there was a sense of having come a different place that we felt,
And I do think that there is so much more technology which is happening in India, which is something that we should and must capture.
We're talking about India at 75, right, and India at 75 is much more than I mean, India stack is a great way to launch it.
But I think there's so much more technology that is going on in this country.
I would want to in the future, I think, cover a little more technology, which is indigenous India, which has been something that we've developed and given to the world.
Because usually when and we've said this in when we've talked about India stack, you know, nobody thinks of India developing product from a technology point of view.
But I think today there is so much more technology and product in technology that we're developing.
So that's another piece I think we can do a little more about and I would love to see you.
I think you are absolutely right in the fact that I think we got a lot of positive
reaction to the fact that, you know, we did the other episode, we did UPI, we did ONDC
and I think we were kind of one of the first few who covered ONDC and guessing a lot
of it in the press.
There is definitely a feeling of, you know, that, okay, you know, we've also done something.
And the way I look at this whole product piece is that, you know, why do we think of a product only as an Apple phone or, you know, I think Aadhaar is a fantastic product.
I think UPI is fantastic.
And I think in our episode with Pramod, he did say that UPI in its architecture is crypto ready.
So we are not progressing for crypto, but the fact that if today we had, you know, I don't know, CBDCs or whatever, it would be ready.
So it's super futuristic.
We've done amazing work with Covin.
We're doing, you know, stuff with, in fact, for all the listeners, you know, you just need to kind of keep track of all the stuff that we are doing, experimenting on the Digital India side.
You know things we are doing in the rural side, things we are doing for farming, things we are doing in the healthcare, education, X-Step as an organization is doing fantastic work with societal platforms.
So yes, I think we should do more of it.
And I think that will invite conversation and that again, brings me up to this lovely point that Pramod made, is that if that inspires just a few more people to volunteer to contribute time to give back, we would have done a great job.
You know, there's so much more that we can do.
And I think as we're doing more and more work, we really need to now come back and say, hey, what all have we missed out on and, and I'm really happy to do the interview.
So let's put together a whole list.
We have some thoughts, of course, about how we're going to bring in season three, but let's put this list and see where we go.
And I think we should ask our listeners saying, is there anything specific that you want to listen to or do you want us to experiment with something?
We'd love to do that.
So that is another piece that we should do.
So let's take a short break and come back with our next segment.
Hi, we're back with this section, as you can well imagine, we are wrapping up season
two, and obviously there is a lot of thought going into what we will do in season three,
maybe formats, guests, topics, you know, how we can keep it consistent, but yet varied
from what we have done so far.
But what we thought also would be nice and interesting is that, you know, while we are away, we've kind of leave you, our listeners with, you know, things to think about, ponder, follow, you know, things that you should keep in touch with things that are going to, that is going to see a lot of progress and work in the world of tech.
And also things that you should naturally be a little careful about, because, you know, tech does get a bad name, but it is also because of bad information or bad implementation or just you know bad execution.
So, you know, there is both of that happening.
And I thought, you know, that'd be a good thing to do here to just kind of leave that message.
So Nilesh, what do you think that people should kind of watch out for or track closely, maybe in the coming three months, at least?
So let me first start with something that I'm pretty sure people are aware of it by
And I also got exposed to it, I knew about the scam.
So one scam people should watch out for is happening on one of our favorite topics, which is UPI, UPI based scam, and that is on OLX or Quikr, right?
These sites, the scam is not really issue with the platform.
But if you are selling something, right, invariably, there will be buyers who are interested in your products.
And what some of them, the scam, how it goes is that instead of them paying you, they'll send you some kind of a QR code, which is a UPI address.
And then they'll say that please scan this and the transfer will happen.
But actually, it is a pull money transaction, not push.
So the guy is not sending you money, but he's pulling money from you.
So this is being used quite significantly, I've heard many people who caught it in the last moment on, you know, and invariably it was OLX or Quikr where people are trying to shift when they're shifting, they're selling their stuff off, and they are approached by the people to do this.
The second area where this is being used, and again, nothing to, it's not fault of UPI, but this whole QR code scanning, which makes it extremely easy.
This whole push and pull payment is something you should be very clear about, right?
And both are possible.
And this, when I send someone a QR code, invariably, it is going to pull a payment.
So if I scan it, then I am sending the money, not other way around, right?
But the way most of the user interpret is that QR code is just a depiction of your UPI address.
So you are not really distinguishing between pull and pull and like, you know, you are thinking, okay, this guy is trying to send me money and he's just wanting me to scan, so you'll end up scanning.
So don't do that.
So that's one scam, the whole UPI scam.
The second one, not really scam, is actually the whole BNPL aspect, right?
Buy now, pay later.
I mean, it is a mixed bag, I'll just say that.
So there are many companies which were launched on the back of this BNPL, right?
And some of them have become unicorns also.
But the fact is that it is a dead trap in the end, right?
In the US, we have seen it, India is just not ready.
It's a dead trap.
You buy now, pay later means what?
I mean, in the end, you are caught in that whole vicious, you have to pay later, right?
So that was another thing I feel one should be wary of and coming from a payment space, I thought of these two.
You are absolutely right.
I remember growing up saying, buy only what you can afford to buy to pay for and don't live on credit, right?
And I think buy now, pay later just makes credit that much easier.
That's all it does for us.
So that's definitely the case.
I think from going from death traps and you know things, for me, a lot of it is to do with the fact that people are very scared of tech.
I keep hearing that, right?
A lot of people say, oh, God, it's technology and things like that.
I think just a little bit more interest and a little bit more of deep diving into tech makes you realize that you can do so much more with tech.
And the more I'm working with you guys and, you know, studying tech, I'm realizing, hey, I can do music better, I can do photos better, and it's not about very complicated tech.
It's also about simple tech, which I can use on an everyday basis.
So for me, if one breaks the barrier of saying I'm not in the space of tech, but is willing to be open and is willing to learn about it, you can pick up a lot of things and life becomes more fun.
I think that's one thing about technology, which I think a lot of people don't realize you can have fun with technology.
And as a non tech person, I always felt that really should I?
I've always talked about off-tech, for-tech, by-tech, right?
But as I'm getting more and more into it, I realize you can actually enjoy so much more with tech.
I'll tell you one thing.
Because this is our belief, and I think Nilesh will also bear me out, is that when we were growing up as kids, you know we used to have these very complicated sounding textbooks you know about some topic.
And, you know, we used to think that we are pretty idiotic because we don't understand it.
Age just taught me that basically the authors were idiotic.
They don't understand the topic.
So, because the same thing written by another person who's crystal clear in their concepts will explain it to you like, you know, it's everyday instances.
So same with tech, if you are finding it difficult to understand something that someone says, be fearless in assuming that guy knows nothing.
So if you can understand it, then that guy knows this stuff. Otherwise, he doesn't.
That is such a fantastic point.
And I keep telling my son, we talked about communications, and I told my son multiple times that a successful communication is not communicating your idea.
The success of communication is, has the recipient got your idea and completely understood it?
Otherwise, your communication has failed.
And what you said is absolutely right.
I mean, if I'm not able to get something written by an author in a book, that doesn't mean completely my failure.
And a classic example of that, and if you have not read it, you must read Richard Feynman, his book and, his, you know essays.
So people used to say that Richard Feynman was one of the very few Nobel laureates who was a great teacher.
And the idea was, he used to simplify physics that everyone understood.
And I have read some of those you know students telling that when you are in Feynman's class, everything is crystal clear, everything.
You suddenly start understanding the mysteries of the universe like never before.
So I might just beg to differ with you a bit, Samiran.
And it's not that the guy doesn't know anything.
It's that maybe he doesn't know how to teach that to you.
I'm just saying, I am just saying that there are some, and I've realized this, right?
So it's just about the fact that I know my subject, but I'm not sure if I know how to teach it better.
So what tends to happen, I think, in the world of technology is that a lot of people don't speak it in a language or don't give it to me with examples that I as a non-tech person can kind of align with.
I remember my first conversation with the two of you, remember, Nilesh, we were talking on blockchain.
And I distinctly remember taking all of your blockchain stuff and saying we can connect it to fake news. Right?
And I never came into the conversation.
I came into the conversation thinking I'm going to get Gyan on blockchain.
Today, honestly, today I can speak blockchain without hesitating.
But I also realized that if you speak it in a way or teach it in a way that a non-tech person understands it, I think you open up the ability of its uses in various forms also, which is a challenge today.
And wasn't that our core mantra to make tech easy to understand and own hashtags for today? Right?
Only one, my anecdote, which hopefully will stay, is that, you know, this whole that you
tell your son, right, that communication doesn't end, you know, the recipient should
I've tried this thing a lot of times, my wife, when she says something and she says, you didn't hear me.
I said see communication is about knowing that the other person heard it, but somehow it doesn't fly the same way.
I don't try that with my wife.
All I can say is you're a lucky man, you aren't divorced.
By the way, that little slip that Samiran did about, I hope it stays, has happened because very often Samiran makes these completely politically incorrect statements, which we edit out.
And they're so incorrect that we can't even include them as bloopers.
So every time he makes these slight little comments, it's because he has done something in the past.
So let me put that out over there.
So I think before we kind of wrap up this section, Nilesh, I think the big mystery
one and season two is that what is this creators of unblox?
What are they unbloxing?
Who are they?
Because you know, we kind of called unbloxing trends, unbloxing the blockchain. So I think it is time to raise the curtain on unblox.
So yeah, time to raise curtains on unblox.
So, I think we debated about putting on the artwork also, whether we say creators of unblox or not, but we went ahead with it.
Unblox is essentially a startup in a stealth mode.
Not so stealth now, but it was a startup, it is a startup that we all are involved in.
And it is a startup based in the blockchain space.
The core idea started with this team that I'm working with, it's a global team based in France and India.
Some developers are also in Ukraine, by the way, before the crisis.
And what we started developing was a blockchain, which was addressing the issues that are there with the current blockchain protocols, which is your energy efficiency, scalability, the whole idea, security.
You know, people talk of this whole, we talked about it, the 51% attack and all.
This blockchain is called Arch Ethic, A-R-C-H-E-T-H-I-C, Arch Ethic, so Arch and Ethic.
So ARCH.NET is a public blockchain, and what we are trying to do is we have, you know, changed it at multiple levels, changed the protocol, like we have innovated every layer and tried to bring down the energy footprint, that was first, and second is provide a scale.
So to put it in perspective, if today you talk of Bitcoin and Ethereum, you need specialist mining nodes.
With Arch Ethic blockchain, you can mine it using a simple machine, which has, you know, 8 GB RAM and a 256 GB hard disk kind of a set-up.
Even with a phone?
Yes, actually, actually with a phone, we even tried to put a node on the phone.
So your node can be reduced to the size of a phone, and any normal machine can become a node in ARCH Ethic.
So that is how the energy consumption part goes down.
And the second part is we have tried to innovate every layer, we talked about blockchain being a block of transactions, and we talked about the consensus in season one, in those are some of the heavy topics that we covered, but the fact was that the proof of work, POW, block size, all these are the things that make it, A, you know, the energy consumption goes up and B, it is not scalable, right?
So in a typical Bitcoin blockchain, it takes 10 minutes to actually finalize a block, right?
And the transaction itself might take, easily it take a couple of minutes, which is not you know acceptable in a, you know, typical e-commerce scenario.
So we innovated multiple layers of the blockchain to make it scale.
So unblox is essentially going to build, since it is energy efficient, it is going to build solutions on top of this Arch Ethic blockchain.
So in essence, what you're saying is that unblox will be able to do everything that was restricted by the inability of scale of existing blockchains can be built on unblox, I mean, e-mail.
Stuff that you would not even dream building on a top of blockchain because of the whole sustainability and scalability aspect.
So that is the Unblox, Arch Ethic, Unblox Unbloxed.
So I think what is interesting is, like Pramod was saying in his episode, saying that
design for scale and then a work, I think that's what we've really tried to do with
the Arch Ethic Unblox piece, which is designed for scale and then let it happen.
So I think we've learned a little bit from our guests that also continue to improve upon the product that we are building.
So I think it's an interesting thing.
You must check us out.
The website's still under construction, but it'll be up and running in a bit.
Like we said, it's been in stealth mode and we're keeping it that way for a bit.
So you might see it by the time we come back in season three.
We will let you know as soon as the website is up on Unblox, but you can read up about Arch Ethic in the meantime.
So I think that's something else we're doing.
We've told you the company that we have and we're now going to kind of in the next segment unveil what we plan for season three and we'd love to know what you think of it.
So before we begin the segment three, right, where we're going to talk about what we're
going to do next week, let me ask you two very quick questions.
What do you think is in common between statistics and beginnings.
That's my first question to you.
The second question to you is what do you think is common between the leader in France and technology?
If I put these four words, these were the words that we beep out of our episodes over the last two seasons.
Try and figure out what the connections with these and what do you think Samiran said that we had to beep these words out?
I'm going to leave that to you.
Let me just correct, to make it even more interesting.
What is the connection between Lido, technology and mythology?
So, you know, since I am kind of an AI professional, it is my job to look for
So let that be the context of your investigation.
So now that we've kind of put intrigue into it, let me tell you that intrigue in season three is going to be even more Samiran, all yours.
So as you must have imagined, and as we have also found out, even in the podcasting
the top podcasts in the maximum discussion are actually all about crime and mystery and
work and nothing sells like crime.
So in season three, we are going to actually take a very, very interesting look at what happens in that side of the world, not to say that we are going to be giving away some technology to criminals or anything like that, but just kind of, you know, all the interesting stuff that goes on in that, you know, I mean, money is a big hit.
I mean, and not because, you know, for no reason, people love crime.
So we're going to look at a little bit of that.
We are obviously going to also then kind of pivot and see all the great things that are going on in the tech world, you know, categorize under the broad head of tech for good, but, you know, a lot of them are actually in the labs, literally, you know, the, you know, I know of doing the study to figure out how disease is spread by taking blood samples from mosquitoes, because mosquitoes go and bite people.
So, you know, you can figure out if from the blood sample of the mosquito, there's a disease.
But none of these are scalable.
So, you know, so what's happening in that world?
And I think as a general title, you know, we kind of also thought of our, you know, we were very, very inspired by the good, bad and the ugly, but we don't want to keep something ugly.
So we thought we'd add fun and ugly and we called it fugly.
But then we realized fugly means really ugly.
Which is another word we are beeping out.
So now actually, it's good to be broadly called the good, the bad and the fun we have.
So there you go.
I think this whole first part that you mentioned, crime and all, and it is, it is such
field and I'm sure many of our listeners would have seen the series for Mindhunter.
I also, you know, seen it like it was, it was, I don't know, it got canceled, though it was very interesting after two or three episodes, it picks up.
And the tech part of it was so important.
And this was a kind of a serial which recognized the tech process of FBI, right.
And I was amazed that the final, you know, case that they solved is a very well known case about the Atlanta murders, right.
And there were, I think, 29 murders of black kids.
And I'm talking of this is 1960s or 70s, okay.
So this whole crime profiling was first time it came into forefront, right.
There was this guy who was trying to do this profiling and it was a bang on profile of a murderer that he had in mind.
And they actually catch the murderer.
But to date, I was then checking Wikipedia and searching about this Atlanta murders.
To date, only two murders have been ascribed to it, 27 are still unsolved or whatever, I think.
So two are done and rest are unsolved.
And even these two were purely solved on technology.
There is no other link or evidence other than technology connecting this murderer to those two.
He never confessed, but he is still serving life.
I think he's still alive.
So the whole crime and tech part is extremely interesting.
I think we'll have to do a little bit of research, but I think it's a fantastic field to dwell into.
So much as we're saying crime and tech, it's not just crime and tech.
I think what we're also going to understand is the dark web, which a lot of people are very interested in.
We all read about it.
We all watch it.
But it kind of holds us in awe saying, is this really happening?
Is this not happening?
Is this too much into the future?
Is this now?
And that's what we're going to explore as the first theme when we come back in season three, which is the dark web, right.
And everything that's happening in the dark web.
Like Samiran said, the next theme is going to be tech for good.
And I think I'm hoping that's our opportunity to talk about technology that is being developed in India for good, for scale, for different things.
So that's going to be our second theme.
And we promise you the third theme in the third season is going to be even more exciting.
And we will let you know what that theme is as we go along, right.
So I have to give you a couple of stories here about this bad Vs good.
So if you follow TV, CSI was a big favorite, it continues to be, and it's actually really based on pure science and investigation, whether you call it tech or not.
And so was numbers.
There was this FBI agent who takes the help of his brother, who's a math professor, to solve crime.
And I remember one specific case, because I very coincidentally happened to hear the lecture of the professor who kind of, of the theory.
So it was based on some kind of a proximity theory on the US Army use is that, you know, by knowing where IDs are exploded, how can you find where ID deposits are kept?
And this was back in the Afghanistan Iraq days that, so this guy had developed this algorithm that, you know, if there is, if there is an ID explosion in X, Y, Z place, then within this perimeter, this, there has to be an ID stockpile.
And you know, that's how they should go and investigate.
Then it was used in numbers, the serial and I heard that lecture.
So then I realized that, you know, how closely these two things were tied.
And it's just fascinating if you keep your mind open.
The other one for tech for good is that is like my favorite wildlife story about snow leopards is that the snow leopard foundation, you know, they spent years putting camera traps along the Himalayas to track snow leopards.
And I think they got millions and millions of hours of footage.
But they were never able to go through it because, you know, how do you go through all of that?
And if you see any YouTube video, you realize you can't make them off from the foliage.
Then they started using machine learning and all.
And once they started doing that, they were actually able to separate the foliage from the snow leopard.
And then they say, okay, there is a snow leopard, there's a turn.
So now the next phase of study is, are we seeing the same snow leopard all the time or is it a different snow leopard?
So now they're getting into feature.
If you look at your dog for hours and hours, you realize that it looks different from the other dogs.
So same with snow leopards.
And I think they're using that for wildlife conservation, for elephants, whales, stuff happening in climate change.
People are using that to, I think we talked about it in our Air Force lecture where we talked about how dismantled and destroyed hard disks and phones can be, you know, data from it can be found and terrorism activity.
So there's tons of, so there is the evil of tech and then there is the investigation of tech and then there is all the good of tech and then there is Sheetal's surprise tech.
We will talk about, we won't reveal now.
And no, tech for good, I think, you know, that's a very good point.
I think tech for good also holds a lot of stuff.
I was just not sure whether we'll cover it or not, which is as a teaser, I think a lot of stuff is happening in this whole green, you know, the environment part of it.
Like you mentioned, you know, the wildlife supply chains are one of the most energy non-efficient kind of a systems today.
And tech is now being used to figure out, what is the green supply chain.
And it was very interesting.
I didn't, I never thought about it in that way.
And I came across a project, which is kind of under, you know, works in Europe, whereby they are trying to see the energy footprint of a supply chain.
And now you're looking at each and every aspect of figuring out how you can make it green. So one aspect and it's complex, right?
Because in supply chain, there are multiple things.
You can make it green by ensuring that it comes through.
The most basic stuff is that it should come through the shortest channel, right?
So you are burning least amount of fuel.
But then there are so many aspects whereby, how do you stack it?
What is the weight?
Make it as efficient as possible, use, you know, the whole maritime stuff, right?
Are you using the natural winds for movement?
And first you have to calculate, right?
So what is the energy footprint of a supply chain?
And then you start addressing each and every aspect to create a kind of a green supply chain.
So I don't think that kind of stuff would be possible without technology and AI and computational ability, honestly.
So yeah, a lot of work and interesting stuff to talk about in tech forward now, honestly.
And I must admit that, you know, while we were writing cases for NASCOM, we found that there are so many young people in India who are creating such amazing technology, whether it's in the space of education, whether it's in the space of health care, I mean, things that I, you just sit in back and say, why didn't I think about it?
That kind of technology is being developed by really young people.
I'm glad to hear they're not all leaving the country and going away.
They're actually building it here, seeing the opportunities.
And of course, therefore our conversation on many, many unicorns which are coming up in this country.
So I think that's going to be fun.
The third one, I promise you, is a surprise.
It is going to be something that is going to shock you.
So we will come back with that.
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